Cold Weather Gear Changes

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6 years 3 months ago #175271 by oilman
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Hi all,

Around this time of year we get quite a few questions about experiencing difficult gearshifts in cold weather, so we thought you might find this useful.
Using the incorrect viscosity gear oil in your car can make gear changes very difficult when the gearbox, and oil are cold. This is why we often don't recommend using thicker gear oils than the manufacturer specifies. It is easy to think that increasing the viscosity from a 75w-80 to 75w-90 or 75w-90 to 75w-140 isn't going to affect the cold properties of the oil, but it does.
Below are some figures showing the viscosity of a selection of oils at 40C measured in mm²/s ( 1 millimeter²/second = 1 centistoke, A centistoke is a decimal fraction of the CGS unit of kinematic viscosity stokes, which is equal to centimeter per second (cm²/s). 1 stokes is a kinematic viscosity of a fluid with a density of 1 g/cm³ and a dynamic viscosity of 1 poise… In short the thickness of oil!). 40degc may not seem cold but this is the temperature at which the viscosity is measured and is the information you will find on the oil technical data sheets.
I have listed specific brands and products to make it easier to see the differences in viscosity.
Fuchs Sintofluid FE 75w = 40.8 @ 40°c
Fuchs Sintofluid 75w-80 = 49.8 @ 40°c
Fuchs Sintopoid 75w-90 = 90.5 @ 40°c
Fuchs Sintopoid LS 75w140 = 170 @ 40°c

As you can see from that, they are all 75w oils, but there is a large difference in the viscosity at lower temps; the Sintopoid 75w-90 is over twice as thick as the Sintofluid FE 75w when cold and the 75w-140 is almost twice as thick as the 75w-90. 

So, if you've got a car that needs one grade of oil as standard, but you've modified it and decide to try a thicker oil, or someone puts the wrong oil in, it might really affect the cold gear shifts. Usually, increasing the quality is a better option than increasing the viscosity when thinking about upgrading from standard fluid.

Also, viscosity ratings are not exact points, but are a band that the viscosity should fall in. The Motul Gear 300 75w-90 has a viscosity of 76.2mm²/s at 40°c and the Castrol Universal 75w-90 is 84.8mm²/s, so you can see there is some variation in oils that appear to be the same viscosity.

A lot of gearboxes specify an 80w-90 rather than a 75w-90, but I would always tend to go for a 75w-90 instead as there can be a large difference is the viscosity when cold. The Motul Gearbox 80w-90 is 164mm²/s, so over twice as thick as their Gear 300 when cold. If you're using an 80w-90 and are having stiff cold gear changes, changing to a 75w-90 is likely to improve things.

If you have any questions or need further advice please post here or email us at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:sales@opieoils.co.uk]sales@opieoils.co.uk[/url]<!-- e -->

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6 years 3 months ago #175298 by Vlad
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Good info! But mine is still slightly stiff between 1st &amp; 2nd when cold...changed gearbox oil 2 weeks ago! But it's deffo not any worst than it was before, which is not to bad lol

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6 years 3 months ago #175323 by sonicvanman
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Mine can be slightly stiff no matter how cold but thats down to my short shift kit, im running Redline MTL 70w80 oil, &amp; it feels the same weather its cold or warm.


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6 years 3 months ago #175325 by Vlad
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I'm fitting my short shifter this/next week, better not get any stiffer lol

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6 years 3 months ago #175349 by oilman
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What did you use for the oil change?

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6 years 3 months ago #175350 by Vlad
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castrol syntrans transaxle 75w-90

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6 years 3 months ago #175351 by oilman
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That's fine for most people, but if it's stiff with the short shift, you might want to go for the Fuchs Sintofluid, Amsoil MTF or Redline MTL.

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-670-75w-80- ... fluid.aspx

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6 years 3 months ago #175357 by Chris CW
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Good to hear - Ive just put Redline in mine (that I got from Opie), does feel a lot smoother in changes now and hopefully that will carry on once Ive put the short shifter on then :)

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